xAP Talk Transcript 2006 08 15
15/08/2006 20:45:44 * PaulG joins My room
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15/08/2006 20:48:09 * James joins My room
15/08/2006 20:48:27 ‹James› hi
15/08/2006 20:51:43 ‹PaulG› Hi J
15/08/2006 20:52:02 ‹PaulG› Just trying to figure out Speed fan and how it works with fan speeds
15/08/2006 20:52:57 ‹James› you just need to go to the cpu temp expand it select the right fan and put in the temp tollerence required
15/08/2006 20:53:37 ‹James› and on the main page turn on auto fan speed
15/08/2006 20:54:16 ‹PaulG› I dont think this board has speed control
15/08/2006 20:54:26 ‹PaulG› manual settings make no difference
15/08/2006 20:54:52 ‹James› my nvidia4 based board doesn't do speedcontrol either
15/08/2006 20:55:24 ‹PaulG› worry is - that the BIOS fan speed settings don't seem to make any difference either!
15/08/2006 20:56:16 ‹James› might just be they don't make much rpm difference, but do work
15/08/2006 20:56:43 ‹James› my old motherboard needed the rpm set at 5% before it started slowing at all
15/08/2006 20:56:49 ‹PaulG› ok
15/08/2006 20:57:00 ‹PaulG› These new core 2 duo CPU's are good
15/08/2006 20:57:05 ‹PaulG› very cool running
15/08/2006 20:57:22 ‹James› my athlon is at 19c at the mo
15/08/2006 20:57:27 ‹PaulG› new RE2 WD hDD's are also very quiet and cool
15/08/2006 20:57:37 ‹James› indeed
15/08/2006 20:57:46 ‹PaulG› is it in the fridge!!!
15/08/2006 20:58:01 ‹PaulG› or have you got special cooling
15/08/2006 20:58:09 ‹James› i'm quite a fan of the samsung drives at the mo. really really quiet
15/08/2006 20:58:11 ‹PaulG› or are you in USSR!
15/08/2006 20:58:16 ‹James› just a stock fan
15/08/2006 20:58:31 ‹PaulG› very cold room then!
15/08/2006 20:59:04 ‹James› but the 64bit althons do speed throttle so it's not running at full power most the time
15/08/2006 20:59:19 ‹PaulG› but what's ambient temp?
15/08/2006 20:59:46 ‹James› about 15 at a guess
15/08/2006 21:00:51 ‹James› just started watching a video avi and the cpu goes up to 30c
15/08/2006 21:01:03 ‹James› doesn't take much
15/08/2006 21:01:16 ‹PaulG› ah cool - I just got it working - by disabling the BIOS fan control :)
15/08/2006 21:01:29 ‹James› so when does you new loft build start?
15/08/2006 21:02:51 ‹PaulG› very exciting! - had architect and structural eng here today - need to get details of what the house is built on to run three beams down to load bearing wall
15/08/2006 21:02:56 ‹PaulG› quite complex
15/08/2006 21:04:29 ‹James› you certainly want the load bearing to be well planned, being a loft area
15/08/2006 21:04:47 ‹PaulG› BTW do you know if you can set a prog to run minimised by launching from the command line?
15/08/2006 21:05:15 ‹PaulG› yes - it is big area - 12m x 7m floor IIRC
15/08/2006 21:05:28 ‹James› create a shorcut to the exe and set the shortcut to minimise. then run the shortcut from the commandline
15/08/2006 21:06:05 ‹PaulG› ok - is the shortcut still pif?
15/08/2006 21:06:16 ‹James› .lnk
15/08/2006 21:06:21 ‹PaulG› oh ok
15/08/2006 21:06:31 ‹James› .pif is a msdos shortcut
15/08/2006 21:06:42 ‹PaulG› ok - old school
15/08/2006 21:06:52 ‹James› ;)
15/08/2006 21:07:09 * KevinH joins My room
15/08/2006 21:07:18 ‹PaulG› hi kevin
15/08/2006 21:07:19 ‹James› hi k
15/08/2006 21:07:26 ‹KevinH› hi both
15/08/2006 21:08:36 ‹KevinH› thought you'd have had that loft bit finished by now Paul
15/08/2006 21:08:39 ‹James› K, can we turn off the spam guard on the yahoo groups. they are really annoying and since moderation is on?
15/08/2006 21:09:04 ‹PaulG› nearly - only another 4-5 months yet!
15/08/2006 21:09:29 ‹KevinH› I am not sure you can - or do you know we can ?
15/08/2006 21:09:42 ‹KevinH› Is it causing problems ?
15/08/2006 21:10:02 ‹James› seems to pick up all paul's messages and most of mine
15/08/2006 21:10:18 ‹KevinH› .. and they get bounced back ?
15/08/2006 21:10:27 ‹James› only the group owner can turn it off. my level of access greys out the option
15/08/2006 21:10:35 ‹KevinH› without appearing in the moderate / spam bit ?
15/08/2006 21:10:39 ‹James› no, just put in the spam box for approval
15/08/2006 21:10:47 ‹PaulG› how does it work - and what do you see?
15/08/2006 21:10:49 ‹KevinH› I am not the group owner :-(
15/08/2006 21:10:58 ‹James› o
15/08/2006 21:11:06 ‹KevinH› MarkH
15/08/2006 21:12:09 ‹KevinH› I am not sure how a new (non moderated member) transfers to being moderated - isn't it after so many weeks and/or so many posts ?
15/08/2006 21:12:24 ‹KevinH› wrong way around
15/08/2006 21:12:57 ‹James› i've been swapping them over after the first few posts
15/08/2006 21:13:25 ‹KevinH› If it's a time thing then it could still be problematic.... like Malcolm has on the TelCanto list
15/08/2006 21:13:41 ‹PaulG› I've not seen any problems with posts recently
15/08/2006 21:13:43 ‹KevinH› Yes I swap them too but they can auto swap after a while too
15/08/2006 21:13:48 ‹PaulG› should I?
15/08/2006 21:14:13 ‹KevinH› On which list Paul - the xAP one ?
15/08/2006 21:14:20 ‹James› last one i unjammed was last week
15/08/2006 21:14:33 ‹PaulG› oh ok - you do this then?
15/08/2006 21:14:37 ‹KevinH› We moderate it ..
15/08/2006 21:14:44 ‹PaulG› but yahoo doesn't inform me?
15/08/2006 21:14:56 ‹PaulG› ah bummer
15/08/2006 21:14:59 ‹James› nope
15/08/2006 21:15:05 ‹KevinH› But only to stop the Spam really - members themselves are non moderated after the first post or so
15/08/2006 21:15:15 ‹PaulG› so it's a good way of you reading my posts then!!!
15/08/2006 21:15:34 ‹James› i try
15/08/2006 21:15:54 ‹PaulG› so my posts often get jammed?
15/08/2006 21:16:37 ‹James› quite a few, spam filters really don't like exchange html emails
15/08/2006 21:17:00 ‹PaulG› OK - so if I use plain text, that should be better?
15/08/2006 21:17:01 ‹James› it seems to no mind plain text exchange emails
15/08/2006 21:17:16 ‹PaulG› what a PITA!
15/08/2006 21:17:49 ‹James› yep, we could always move to a forum... (nooo)
15/08/2006 21:18:54 ‹PaulG› yes I like the email route - pick up things you wouldn't normally
15/08/2006 21:19:04 ‹PaulG› and get more replies
15/08/2006 21:19:18 ‹James› yep
15/08/2006 21:19:23 ‹PaulG› ...which is why some don't like it I guess
15/08/2006 21:19:34 ‹KevinH› I cant see any spam filtered messages from you James
15/08/2006 21:19:34 ‹James› probably
15/08/2006 21:20:02 ‹James› spam box is currently empty
15/08/2006 21:20:57 ‹KevinH› I have the history though..
15/08/2006 21:21:14 ‹KevinH› There have been 20 spam messages so far in August
15/08/2006 21:21:50 ‹KevinH› Although that is across three Yahoo groups
15/08/2006 21:21:51 ‹James› k
15/08/2006 21:22:11 ‹PaulG› can you see mine?
15/08/2006 21:23:19 ‹James› So Paul that speedfan xAP app is still ok? If it is I'll get it released
15/08/2006 21:23:32 ‹KevinH› you are not moderated .................currently ;-)
15/08/2006 21:23:36 ‹PaulG› yes - great!
15/08/2006 21:23:41 ‹KevinH› let me see re spam
15/08/2006 21:24:08 ‹PaulG› do you get moderated when yahoo detects spam from you?
15/08/2006 21:24:47 ‹James› no, don't think so
15/08/2006 21:24:52 ‹PaulG› It's good - you have to use raw mode in xAP HS because there's nop schema right?
15/08/2006 21:25:08 ‹James› Is the yahoo site really slow today or is it jsut me?
15/08/2006 21:25:38 ‹James› the schema was why the app was never r3eleased as it doesn't really have a schema, it just uses names from speedfan
15/08/2006 21:25:46 ‹James› so you'll have to use raw
15/08/2006 21:26:05 ‹PaulG› ok no problem at all - I normally use raw anyway
15/08/2006 21:26:38 ‹James› "The group xap_automation is temporarily unavailable" go on who did that
15/08/2006 21:27:34 * bro joins My room
15/08/2006 21:28:15 ‹James› hi
15/08/2006 21:28:45 ‹bro› have any of you seen samurise for h/w monitoring?
15/08/2006 21:29:19 ‹KevinH› Tis fine here J - I am not sure my Spam records are correct because I cant see any at all for you James - but I can't see Paul's either.....
15/08/2006 21:29:23 ‹James› no, do you have a url for it?
15/08/2006 21:29:59 ‹bro› http://www.samurize.com/
15/08/2006 21:30:06 ‹KevinH› Got to go in 5 mins for 20 or so...
15/08/2006 21:30:24 ‹bro› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurize for intro
15/08/2006 21:31:24 ‹bro› it is meant to be easily expandable
15/08/2006 21:31:27 ‹James› lots like a nice app.. with an sdk/api
15/08/2006 21:31:34 ‹KevinH› J - this is Stardocks product
15/08/2006 21:32:04 ‹James› k
15/08/2006 21:32:34 ‹KevinH› or somehow associated... 'hosted by Stardock'
15/08/2006 21:32:36 ‹bro› it's comercial? thoght it was os
15/08/2006 21:32:48 ‹KevinH› I think it is free
15/08/2006 21:33:21 ‹bro› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Widget_engines is just asking for a xAP entry
15/08/2006 21:33:32 ‹KevinH› bro... are you a xAP user ? sorry don't recongnise the handle
15/08/2006 21:34:12 ‹James› i think i may well have a little play with that app
15/08/2006 21:34:32 ‹bro› kevin- i was there for the first xAP discussion on irc, then it all got a bit techie for me (sysadmin not programmer)
15/08/2006 21:34:42 ‹PaulG› yeah - xAP it!
15/08/2006 21:35:01 ‹KevinH› I can help you on some other aspects of that if it is what i think it is James - remember that xAP message display window app I sent you a long while back ??
15/08/2006 21:36:01 ‹KevinH› Sorry got to go - back in 20
15/08/2006 21:36:03 ‹James› i do indeed, but i though that was a a different app running it.. or it could jsut be my bad memory
15/08/2006 21:36:07 ‹James› k, bfn
15/08/2006 21:36:20 ‹KevinH› I think it's the same.....
15/08/2006 21:36:22 ‹KevinH› bfn
15/08/2006 21:36:34 ‹PaulG› I have to go too - see you later...
15/08/2006 21:36:54 ‹James› k, bye paul
15/08/2006 21:37:34 ‹James› so bro, do you have any non-techie xAP questions?...
15/08/2006 21:38:04 * PaulG quit (timeout)
15/08/2006 21:41:17 ‹bro› not yet- still catching up on what you guys have all made at the minute
15/08/2006 21:42:45 ‹James› it's starting to be a big list of apps now
15/08/2006 21:43:04 ‹bro› my main issue atm is getting up a current pc to something newer than nt4 (my main desktop still runs it)
15/08/2006 21:43:57 ‹bro› I have lots of boxes here but they are fairly transient- none of them have are on enough to act as a core HA pc
15/08/2006 21:44:12 ‹James› most apps will run fine with 2000 but nt4 will cause issues with some
15/08/2006 21:44:46 ‹James› my setup was very similar. in the end i got a small silent via server and it does all
15/08/2006 21:46:47 ‹bro› the first things I'm going to be looking at is xAP ping and trying to get the SPA-3000 output to Slimp3's
15/08/2006 21:47:19 ‹James› do you run asterisk then?
15/08/2006 21:47:34 ‹bro› I'm on holiday for the next two weeks and this is what I was planning to do until the boss handed in his notice
15/08/2006 21:47:47 ‹bro› not even got that far yet
15/08/2006 21:48:04 ‹James› ahh, so you're the new boss then?
15/08/2006 21:48:23 ‹bro› lol- i wish- they are having interview for it after the 23rd
15/08/2006 21:49:40 ‹James› ok. I know Gregg was looking at a xAP SIP proxy that could well help xAPping a standalone spa3000
15/08/2006 21:50:39 ‹James› so to get cid on the slimp3s youll > Sipproxy/asterisk > connector > xAP Switchboard > slimp3 connector > slimp3
15/08/2006 21:51:02 ‹bro› that is what i was hoping
15/08/2006 21:52:00 ‹James› well it works here ( with asterisk)
15/08/2006 21:52:11 ‹James› and very useful too
15/08/2006 21:52:29 ‹bro› what os is your asterisk running on?
15/08/2006 21:53:12 ‹James› it was a asterisk@home install,, then that server broke, so currently i have trixbox running in vmware on my desktop
15/08/2006 21:53:38 ‹bro› lol- downloaded the trixbox vmware image last night
15/08/2006 21:54:01 ‹bro› this is what I was planning to initally at least
15/08/2006 21:54:31 ‹James› i tend to fiddle with all the xAP apps/ systems so my setups work fine then I play with them and break then
15/08/2006 22:00:26 ‹KevinH› back
15/08/2006 22:00:37 ‹KevinH› So you have a working * setup atm J ?
15/08/2006 22:01:05 ‹James› not quite what i'd call working..
15/08/2006 22:01:43 ‹KevinH› The trixbox install handles incremental upgrades as well I believe ..
15/08/2006 22:02:07 ‹James› yep, you just run a script and it does everything
15/08/2006 22:02:13 ‹James› much better
15/08/2006 22:02:24 ‹KevinH› that was a major hassle b4
15/08/2006 22:02:41 ‹James› We've just installed it at work.. quick and easy
15/08/2006 22:02:45 ‹KevinH› You can screen scrape a SPA-3000 for CID
15/08/2006 22:02:57 ‹James› even got an isdn30 card working first time
15/08/2006 22:03:13 ‹James› erk, http polling
15/08/2006 22:03:28 ‹KevinH› I thought you were the expert at that..
15/08/2006 22:03:50 ‹James› and how many updates of xAP weather have i had to do
15/08/2006 22:04:23 ‹KevinH› but at least the SPA-3000 http content won't change every day
15/08/2006 22:04:27 ‹James› Gregg's sip proxy should make life much easier
15/08/2006 22:04:31 ‹James› true
15/08/2006 22:04:34 ‹KevinH› true
15/08/2006 22:04:58 ‹James› Floorplan 1.1 is about done now btw
15/08/2006 22:05:31 ‹KevinH› J - can you login on Skype too ?
15/08/2006 22:05:33 ‹James› and 'Four' is getting chattier now
15/08/2006 22:05:50 ‹KevinH› I got an update notification on Floorplan about 3 days ago
15/08/2006 22:06:11 ‹James› that's actually a downgrade notification
15/08/2006 22:06:27 ‹KevinH› ahh ... I see
15/08/2006 22:06:30 ‹James› you had a just rpior to 1.1 with the test version of Four
15/08/2006 22:07:06 * bro quit (timeout)
15/08/2006 22:07:26 ‹KevinH› bro - you have SliMP3's I'm gathering...
15/08/2006 22:09:26 ‹bro› from the lynchpin second bulk buy
15/08/2006 22:10:14 ‹KevinH› So you're a UKHA'er bro ?
15/08/2006 22:10:23 ‹bro› brougham
15/08/2006 22:11:34 ‹KevinH› k - there now...
15/08/2006 22:12:26 ‹KevinH› So can we help at all getting you into xAP or is it just one of these getting around to it situations , as you seem to be saying before ;-) I've gota lot of those..
15/08/2006 22:14:57 ‹bro› i was doing the catchup on what everything did and was planning to sort out my whole network this hols
15/08/2006 22:16:12 ‹KevinH› Do you have a Meteor Caller ID device ?
15/08/2006 22:16:48 ‹bro› I only have the SPA-3000, as it did CID and also to use as digital answerphone
15/08/2006 22:17:11 ‹KevinH› . and it's up and running now , or one for the hols
15/08/2006 22:17:45 ‹bro› it's plugged in and half configured
15/08/2006 22:17:45 ‹KevinH› Did you ever get a SPA-3000 J ?
15/08/2006 22:18:08 ‹bro› took me a week to work out that it won't do dhcp- has to be a static or it keeps giving errors
15/08/2006 22:18:17 ‹KevinH› SPA_3000's are always only half configured it seems
15/08/2006 22:18:21 ‹James› no, just got the aastra phone
15/08/2006 22:19:40 ‹KevinH› I had mine half working and then I killed * - haven't reinstalled it yet
15/08/2006 22:20:04 ‹KevinH› If you want one on loan J - just ask :-D
15/08/2006 22:20:22 ‹James› let me buy a house first ;-)
15/08/2006 22:21:12 ‹KevinH› Buying a house can take a long time ! Although as you're not in a chain that makes it 10 times easier
15/08/2006 22:21:23 ‹James› hopefully
15/08/2006 22:21:28 ‹bro› were you ever on #ukha as sparky, james?
15/08/2006 22:21:50 ‹KevinH› I guess I was lucky in that my SPA-3000 was always setup with static IP's
15/08/2006 22:21:52 ‹James› nope i tend to use either James or mi4
15/08/2006 22:24:01 ‹KevinH› One of my Netioms died J... the inputs no longer react - we had a huge thunderstorm about 2 weeks ago - I think it was that
15/08/2006 22:24:18 ‹James› aw, damm that lightning
15/08/2006 22:24:38 ‹KevinH› I have really long cables on them - maybe 50m or so
15/08/2006 22:25:15 ‹James› i suppose you could use a relay to protect the long lines
15/08/2006 22:25:22 ‹KevinH› The Netiom itself stayed running - so I assume its the input chips that got fried
15/08/2006 22:26:11 ‹KevinH› Yes - but in the longer scheme of things when I eventually get around to it (another thing) theyw ill be short again
15/08/2006 22:26:38 ‹James› and the input chips are all surface mount soa real pita to change
15/08/2006 22:27:33 ‹KevinH› yes... I had hoped they were socketed like many of teh others
15/08/2006 22:27:44 ‹James› no such luck
15/08/2006 22:27:50 ‹KevinH› Bro - did you get your SCSI cable eventually ?
15/08/2006 22:27:51 ‹bro› and standard\available?
15/08/2006 22:28:11 ‹KevinH› Yes - they are standard chips - just messy to change
15/08/2006 22:28:26 ‹KevinH› but largish pin pitch
15/08/2006 22:28:30 ‹bro› nope- i really don't want to cut up something that works for the sake of it
15/08/2006 22:28:44 ‹KevinH› I maybe can find you something...
15/08/2006 22:29:48 ‹KevinH› Ahh - one sec maybe I'm having a senior moment
15/08/2006 22:29:56 ‹KevinH› Wasnt SCSI 80 pin ?
15/08/2006 22:30:24 ‹bro› i thought they were 68 way
15/08/2006 22:30:42 ‹bro› and 80 was only for the hotswap on hdd's?
15/08/2006 22:31:00 ‹KevinH› ISTR that SCSI was originally 40 pin and then SCSI II / Ultra SCSI was 80 pinn - but 68 pin rings a bell too
15/08/2006 22:31:25 ‹KevinH› You need a short cable with two 68 way connectors on it...
15/08/2006 22:31:28 ‹KevinH› ?
15/08/2006 22:31:38 ‹bro› i think that is what it is
15/08/2006 22:32:09 ‹bro› for joining the backplane on a dell server to the motherboad's built in controler
15/08/2006 22:32:57 ‹KevinH› I'll have a rummage tomorrow and see what i can find. I had a load of old Apple Mac cables from when they were all SCSI - but since moving I haven't seen them
15/08/2006 22:33:20 ‹KevinH› I do have a box of some cables I've found so Il look there
15/08/2006 22:34:29 ‹bro› oh wow- there's loads of them http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/scsi_connecters.html
15/08/2006 22:35:49 ‹KevinH› ahh the bus speeds were 40/80 between SCSI and later versions - me remebers now
15/08/2006 22:37:06 ‹KevinH› Ahh so you need the HD68 cables ??? Almost sure I dont have any of those...
15/08/2006 22:38:19 ‹KevinH› I was thinking IDC..
15/08/2006 22:40:12 ‹KevinH› J - do you know anything about embedded XP machines ?
15/08/2006 22:40:18 ‹bro› the one i have in there atm- a 7way 6ft long job is IDC
15/08/2006 22:40:46 ‹KevinH› IDC but 68 way ?
15/08/2006 22:40:51 ‹bro› yup
15/08/2006 22:41:39 ‹KevinH› Well I'll get counting tomorrow - I had a load of IDC cables - I'll drop you an email...
15/08/2006 22:42:36 ‹bro› that would be well cool- cheers- it's a bit of a worry- the full cable won't let me put the fan hoods back on properly
15/08/2006 22:44:45 ‹KevinH› So you want a short legth two femal IDC connectors 68 way -
15/08/2006 22:46:46 ‹bro› i just checked- they are male
15/08/2006 22:46:54 ‹bro› the pins are on the connector
15/08/2006 22:46:57 ‹KevinH› ok..
15/08/2006 22:47:59 ‹KevinH› I'm going to call it a night now I think....
15/08/2006 22:48:17 ‹James› nite nite
15/08/2006 22:48:17 ‹KevinH› So I hope you get some xAP stuff up and running and a bit of hols to play
15/08/2006 22:48:33 ‹bro› yeah, i'm looking now
15/08/2006 22:48:46 ‹bro› i should be revising for another mcp exam
15/08/2006 22:48:58 ‹KevinH› J... quick Q - XP embedded - have you any experience there - want to know if I can add .NET ?
15/08/2006 22:49:11 ‹bro› need to get the certs up to date if i'm looking for another job
15/08/2006 22:49:16 ‹James› no idea at all i'm afraid
15/08/2006 22:49:38 ‹bro› http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/downloads/xp/default.aspx
15/08/2006 22:49:56 ‹bro› that url contains a download for the .net framework for xp embedded
15/08/2006 22:50:04 ‹bro› only 1.1 it looks like
15/08/2006 22:51:31 ‹James› i'm sure 2.0 will be along someday
15/08/2006 22:52:43 ‹KevinH› interesting .. will try - see if these will accept any updates - they seem to be fairly 'locked down' to only running certain apps
15/08/2006 22:53:12 ‹KevinH› nite all
15/08/2006 22:53:18 ‹James› nite
15/08/2006 22:56:28 ‹bro› night